Windows Vista

[imilanez]

Has anyone tryed installing/using Dekart Logon in Windows Vista?

I'm beta testing Vista and I want to know if it's possible to install this product in this version of windows.

Thanx

[Alex Railean]

Logon was not yet extensively tested with Vista. Microsoft's new OS is still under development, so it is difficult to make a prediction regarding compatibility.

It is not certain that Vista will be supported as soon as it is officially released, but it is an objective we are trying to accomplish.

[Alexander]

Hi,
anything new on Vista compatibility?

I plan to change from XP Pro to Vista Ultimate next week, so I need to know.

Best regards,
Alex

[Alex Railean]

Logon's next major release will be Vista-compatible, while the current version does not work correctly on this OS.

[nmatko]

So, could you make an estimation of when the next major version will be released?

Regards,
nmatko.

[Alex Railean]

The beta version of Logon for is now available, it can be downloaded from this address: xttp://files.dekart.com/updates/logon-vista.exe

[Ace]

The beta version of Logon for is now available, it can be downloaded from this address: xttp://files.dekart.com/updates/logon-vista.exe

I am using Vista Ultimate x64, with all of the current updates (that is available through Windows Update).

When I start the Logon_Administrator, all buttons are blank and text is absent.

I have fiddled with the Compatibility tab, disabling high DPI scaling, desktop composition, and visual themes. Also, I tired running the app in XP compatibility mode.

Moreover, I installed the beta in a sandbox with XP Pro (w/SP2 --all updates) and I have encountered the same bug.

Previously, I was able to install Logon 2.21, although it would not work correctly under Vista, buttons and menus were visible. Since this is a fresh install, there is not a trace of the Logon 2.21 installation.

[Unregistered]

I tried the beta for vista and It seems to install and the application opens, but I see no text on the buttons, nor do they do anything when I click them. Is there any kind of workaround for this?

[Alex Railean]

The "blank labels" phenomenon occurs on x64 versions of Vista. The beta is suitable for 32-bit platforms; a beta for 64-bit will be released a bit later.

[Pegasus]

Its not jsut the x64 version that has this problem. I got the same thing on x32 Vista.

[Alex Railean]

Can you tell me which of the Vista versions you are running, and which is the language of the OS?

[Pegasus]

OS Name Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium
Version 6.0.6000 Build 6000
Other OS Description Not Available
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name PORTAPEG
System Manufacturer DIXONSXP
System Model DIXONSXP
System Type X86-based PC
Processor Intel(R) Celeron(R) M CPU 430 @ 1.73GHz, 1733 Mhz, 1 Core(s), 1 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date DIXONSXP 1.09.DIX, 16/12/2006
SMBIOS Version 2.4
Windows Directory C:\Windows
System Directory C:\Windows\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume2
Locale United Kingdom
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "6.0.6000.16386"
User Name PORTAPEG\ken
Time Zone GMT Daylight Time
Total Physical Memory 2,037.56 MB
Available Physical Memory 900.84 MB
Total Virtual Memory 4.19 GB
Available Virtual Memory 3.10 GB
Page File Space 2.28 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys

[funnysurf]

Hi,
I have the same Problem.

System details:
Vista Ultimate, Version 6.0.6000 Build 6000
language german

[rkbowen]

I have upgraded from XP Pro to Vista Home Premium 32-bit and it does not work for me. It is too bad, because I really liked the way it worked in XP. Do you have any idea when you will have a working version for Vista?

Thanks,
Rick

[Pegasus]

Can we have an update on the Vista port of the Login software?

[Alex Railean]

We plan to release it in mid-autumn; improved beta versions should start coming out more frequently towards the end of September.

[Pegasus]

Will that release support Vista x64 (maybe, please... With a cherry on top?) ;>

[wootty2000]

Do we have any more idea of a time frame yet?
Is there likely to be a BETA version that supports Vista64 within the month that we can try?

Cheers....

[Unregistered]

I just tried it and I get the same thing... No text and three things work, the about button (which is unlabled but the screen that comes up has text) a mystry link that makes the screen bigger and what i can only asume is the close button.

I am running the following, if you need more info let me know...

System Information report written at: 10/10/07 09:46:57
System Name: M1210
[System Summary]

Item Value
OS Name Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Ultimate
Version 6.0.6000 Build 6000
Other OS Description Not Available
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name M1210
System Manufacturer Dell Inc.
System Model MXC062
System Type X86-based PC
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7600 @ 2.33GHz, 2333 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date Dell Inc. A08, 7/10/2007
SMBIOS Version 2.4
Windows Directory C:\Windows
System Directory C:\Windows\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume2
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "6.0.6000.16407"
User Name M1210\Administrator
Time Zone Eastern Daylight Time
Total Physical Memory 2,045.57 MB
Available Physical Memory 1.30 GB
Total Virtual Memory 4.21 GB
Available Virtual Memory 3.29 GB
Page File Space 2.29 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys

[Alex Railean]

This is still a raw beta, so things like that happen. Please wait until we release a more reliable version.

[Bart L]

Any Update? I really love this product on my other Laptop and would love to put it on my Vista Machine

[Neil]

It's been a while since anything was mentioned here, I was just wondering if there is any update on the progress of a Vista version of this product ?

Many thanks,

Neil.

[Alex Railean]

The program is still being developed.

[Unregistered]

Do you have an guestimation / estimation of which quarter this year Logon will support Vista64

[Ace]

Will Logon be integrated into Vista's UAC?

[Alex Railean]

A new beta of Logon for Vista is now available for download: xttp://files.dekart.com/beta/logon-Vista-02.msi

It is not yet a final, and it does not provide all the features that are available in the non-Vista version.

Here are some highlights that will be useful to you if you're planning to play with it:

You must logon using a key once, in order to make the Dekart credential provider the default one;
Press Other credential providers to choose key authentication;
This version does not provide support for biometric authentication as a third factor, but the feature will be available in the next release;
A restart after the installation is not needed;
The current version cannot use keys created by the older version, therefore you should make a backup of your sensitive data.


The GUI of the key administration tool is not yet final, there will be changes here and there.

[jstone36]

I installed this beta on vista HP 3Gb ram 320GB hd and a 2.0 Ghz dual core and the setup ran and failed on the final step which corrupted the UAC and the logon process with the following error.

coMarshalInterfaceInStream

This come up under Vista Logon and any atempt to Run As.
This Error is recoverable using the Advanced Startup option Fix startup problems or the computer fail to start completly 2 or 3 times.

Please let me know if this is not the correct place to submit this, Thanx

[Alex Railean]

Hi, you can submit your reports via the forum.

UPDATE: Problem solved, here is a new installer: xttp://files.dekart.com/beta/logon-Vista-02.msi


Indeed, this error will occur in such cases; a current workaround is to run these commands after the installer has done its job (and the error messages were shown):

rem regsvr32 coskey.dll /u
rem regsvr32 coskeyps.dll /u
regsvr32 coskey.dll
regsvr32 coskeyps.dll


Note that you will have to tell the installer NOT to restart the system after the installation (so that you can run these commands).

The easiest way is to put these lines in a BAT file inside the program's folder and run it from there (with Administrator rights).

[jstone36]

Yes this fix the error regarding issue with UAC. While i was able to create a key file for the logon the vista logon screen shows no added ability to logon with a pen drive. Did i mess anything

1. created a batch file to launch installer + register DLL (as Admin)
2. After restarted opened up the GUI and created a logon key

that is it.

GUI looks good
jonathon

[Alex Railean]

If the installation went well, you won't see any immediate changes, because the credentials provider is not set as the default one.

When you log-off or lock the workstation, there is a (usually blue) button called "other credentials". If you click it, you'll see the "key authentication" feature.

If you use it once, it will become the default.

[Unregistered]

Im just trying the Beta, and it see my key, I put in the PIN, but then it says invalud username or password,

I have tried a couple of different ways if entering my username,

This is for domain logon so under the PC name I usualy put \\domain is that still correct?

[Alex Railean]

Try entering the domain name without the '\\' part.

[Woodmeister]

Get the following error message when un-installing "logon-vista-02.msi"

"There is a problem with this windows installer package. A programme run as part of the setup did not finish as expected. Contact your support personnel or package vendor."

The programme cannot be removed by using the normal uninstall method, any ideas on how to remove it?

Running Vista Ultimate SP1.

[Alex Railean]

Can you try the same in Safe Mode and tell me whether the outcome is the same?

[Woodmeister]

Hi Alex,

Tryed to uninstall in safe mode but get the message:

"The Windows Installer is not accessible in Safe Mode. Please try again when your computer is not in Safe Mode or you can use System Restore to return your machine to a previous good state."

Best regards,
Steve

[Alex Railean]

Here is an updated version: xttp://files.dekart.com/beta/Logon-Vista-2230.msi

[jstone36]

Hi I notice some basic issues wit the beta 2230:

1. After installation and restart, logon if you open the Logon GUI and select Setting you see a blank drop down or Key removal after selecting any option and click ok there are not changes even after a logging out. The box stay empty.

2. in setting as well the log path browse buttom after clicking on it just blink and does nothing.

Both items how been tested in both user and administrative modes.
Vista Unlimited HP Core 2 duo 2.0 GHz 3 GB RAM

Note: After installing and applying the dll reg ( is this still needed ) and creating a key then rebooting the option is Switch Users to select the Dekart credentials option.

[Alex Railean]

Here is an update: xttp://files.dekart.com/beta/Logon-2.23.1.msi

We are getting closer to the final release.

Note: this version will not work well if other Dekart programs are running on your computer.

[Alex Railean]

Here is the latest version for today: xttp://files.dekart.com/beta/Logon-2.23.1-moonlight.msi

[jstone36]

This is a dual post for 2.23.1-moonlight and my findings for 2.23.1

Note imo 2.23.1-moonlight is unstable running on my Vista Unlimited HP Core 2 duo 2.0 GHz 3 GB RAM

1. moonlight suffer from an unknown install issue in which it place the files and appears to register DLL and then prompts with installer has encounter an error, which shutdown the install proccess which say it permiturely ended.

2. after install w/o reboot system is stable lock and unlocks as well as log out/in. Thu after reboot system regonizes Dekart logon as welcome screen after inserting key prompts for passcode entered pass and system sits there no response. all buttons are activated and can be pressed, switch users shift to what would be the user to be selected however it displays nothing. Forced shutdown is only meathod for escaping this part.

-- now for 2.23.1 --

only one seemed major issue with 2.23.1 was that the CredentialService.exe stopped upon every user login.

Preformance issues with welcome screen (some of which was noticablely fix with moonlight)

1. upon system waiting for your input for three finger salute key press if key was inserted before the key press system went unresponsive and hard shutdown requried. ( same applies to moonlight )

2. minor issue/thought w/o three finger enabled system sit waiting fo key even if key was inserted or inplace upon boot.

Attached is the log from the CredentialService for your use.

did not see any true changes to Gui will test on next rev.

[Alex Railean]

Thank you for the feedback, we have a newer release ready, but some features in it are under construction at the moment, we will publish it as soon as we reach the next mini-milestone.

[Alex Railean]

A fresh beta is here: xttp://files.dekart.com/beta/Logon 2.23.1-creek.msi

This version fully supports Active Directory and eDirectory domains, every other feature (except registration number verification) is enabled.

[ash45]

Hi Im New Here So Sorry If Some One Has Asked This B4 Is There Any Chance Of This Being Released For Vista Before Windows & Is Out In October I Really Like Using This Software On XP And Would Love It For Vista Too :)

[Alex Railean]

You can use the version posted in the message above. It also works with Windows 7.

[ash45]

yea ive got it on windows 7 wen i put windows & in my other post i ment to put 7 lol non of te betas work for me on vista 64 bit it just crases with an error during install

[Jason.Roberts]

So when will this Dekart Logon Vista be available?

[Alex Railean]

You can download a fresh build from yesterday, it is available here: http://www.lazybit.com/index.php/2009/08/17/logon-for-vista-tvmonday-beta?blog=2

What is missing: a manual, some icons; most of it is finished, and we've been using it internally for weeks on Seven and Vista. It is safe for use.

[Alex Railean]

Jason, I accidentally deleted the last messages, they were dupes, but I removed all the copies.

"TVMonday" is the current release candidate, it is stable and it is safe to be using it. When the final release is available it will include a manual and a modified icon - i.e. nothing substantial.

Does it work well for you so far?

[Jason.Roberts]

Am having problems with it, IE when i remove the usb and the computer locks, i then put the usb back in and enter pin then enter, it doesent do anything, i have to reboot the pc, to get back in.. also when i install it, it says half way though the instalation that there is a problem with the installer

[Alex Railean]

Can you attach a screenshot of the error you see during the installation?

As for the computer not being unlocked successfully:
- is the flash disk detected as a fixed or as a removable drive?
- please enable the logging mode by creating the file c:\dk_smartkey.log; then go through a lock-unlock cycle and; then let me take a look at that file (either attach it to a post here on the forum or email it to support at dekart dot com)

[Jason.Roberts]

Hi, i have taken 2 diffrent print screens of 2 errors that i get during instalation.. thanx

[Alex Railean]

Try to install it as an "Administrator" (not just a us a user from the admin group); alternatively, try "Run as administrator".


What about dk_smartkey.log?

[Jason.Roberts]

Hi, As you can see in this Print screen, i have no "Run As Administrator" in my right click, as for the dk_smartkey.log i will post you that once i Re-install

[Alex Railean]

The option doesn't show up because a .msi file is not an executable one, the workaround is to start an elevated command line prompt and run the .msi from there.

Example:

Start, search for 'command line prompt'
Right-click it and choose "run as administrator"
Once you're there, change the directory to the one where the MSI is, type its name and press Enter.



The most simple way is to log on as "Administrator".

[Jason.Roberts]

Hi, as i try to run this as administrator i am now prosented with this error :(

[Alex Railean]

Then simply log on as "Administrator" and try the same procedure.

To enable this account, go to Start\Run and launch "control userpasswords2" (without the quotes)

[Jason.Roberts]

Nope, i get this error with both now trying to run wothout administrator and with, the programe wont run at all now. i just keep getting this error

[Jason.Roberts]

Hi Alex, I managed to run it under the command prompt and run as administrator, but i still get the same error..

[Jason.Roberts]

Hi Alex, just a quick question I forgot to ask, will this support smartcard? reason i ask is would it support this http://www.smartcardfocus.com/shop/ilp/id~142/p/index.shtml using the version of dekart for vista?

[Alex Railean]

Yes, it works with smart cards already, and it will support all the smartcards supported by the Logon for XP version.

Does your smart card reader not show up in the list of keys?


Regarding the problem with the installer - we are able to reproduce it and we'll provide an update in the next few days.

[Jason.Roberts]

Hi, I dont currently have any smartcards, but should my reader still show in dekart list of keys, even though I dont currently have any smartcards?

[Alex Railean]

Ok, I see where you are coming from.

The logic was slightly changed in this new version, so it will only display smart card readers if a formatted card is inside it. No card = no reader; that's why you thought it wouldn't work.

[Jason.Roberts]

Right yeah, that makes sence, on the logon screen where it says Please insert the usb key, if i was using a smartcard, it it possable to change that along with the logo?

[Alex Railean]

Here is the new installer: xttp://files.dekart.com/beta/Logon%202.24.0-catnap.msi

[Alex Railean]

Right yeah, that makes sence, on the logon screen where it says Please insert the usb key, if i was using a smartcard, it it possable to change that along with the logo?
It is possible to change that - how would you change that? I mean, what else would you write there?

And the logo - you mean you want to see an image of a smart card there? Or you mean that you want to customize the program and have your company logo there?

[Jason.Roberts]

Hi Alex, what I mean by the text and logo is that, if you was using a smartcard it would say "Insert SmartCard" and logo of smartcard, if using usb Picture of usb drive like you already have with the text you have, basicly custom text & Logo would be good, if all possable..

[Jason.Roberts]

Hi Alex, I have installed the latest Beta, and i have come accross problems.. on the logon screen it eather starts to flash, and also when i enter my pin, i carnt log on, also when i removed it, it also deleted my orignal username and password box, also i then put xp on my system and installed dekart logon xp version, now when i log on as none admin, the xp graphics dont load, when i log in as admin, no problem, then i log of admin and log on as none admin, it loads, if i log in the computer as admin before i log on as any other, it loads, i have put vista back on and back to using the TVMonday version, and i found another problem, if i set up a smartcard/usb key without a pin, i get "No Valid User" if i put a pin on, it then works...

[Alex Railean]

Which version do you intend to use in the long run? This thread is focused on the one for Vista - so I will address that part of your post.

on the logon screen it eather starts to flash,
You mean that the user tiles are blinking?

and also when i enter my pin, i carnt log on
Is there an error message? How exactly can you not log on?

when i removed it, it also deleted my orignal username and password box
Did you enable the "allow logon only with key" option in the program's settings?

if i set up a smartcard/usb key without a pin, i get "No Valid User" if i put a pin on, it then works
The "TVMonday" version is not the latest one, the latest one is "catnap", does the last problem persist in that version too?

[Jason.Roberts]

Which version do you intend to use in the long run? This thread is focused on the one for Vista - so I will address that part of your post.


You mean that the user tiles are blinking?

Yes


Is there an error message? How exactly can you not log on?

no message, just i hit enter or click the blue -> nothing happends


Did you enable the "allow logon only with key" option in the program's settings?

yes, when i was using the prog, however, when i removed the program, it also removed my default login box, system restore needed


The "TVMonday" version is not the latest one, the latest one is "catnap", does the last problem persist in that version too?

the logging in somtime does, but this version does not blink on the login screen.. but this version will not let you login unless you put a pin on the usb/smartcard, if you try logging on without a pin I get "No valid Account"

[Alex Railean]

This is the latest-greatest one: xttp://files.dekart.com/beta/Logon 2.24.0-atomicLeaf.msi

The "no valid account" issue is fixed, and the one with flickering tiles is fixed too.

[Jason.Roberts]

Hi Alex, thanks for the update, however, after instaling it and rebooting, as i run the prog, i get this error..

[Alex Railean]

You can find it here: files.dekart.com/versnum.dll, put it in \system32

[Alex Railean]

Here is an updated installer, with bugfixes and this DLL included in it:
xttp://files.dekart.com/beta/Logon%202.24.0-NashZavod.msi

[Jason.Roberts]

Hi Alex, thanks for the file, however, when i have put that in, the prog does run with a serial code, so i carnt use it anyhow, also when i restart the pc nothing shows at the logon screen

[Alex Railean]

Another update: xttp://files.dekart.com/beta/Logon%202.24.0-embassy.msi

Nothing shows up because of the expiration of the trial period. Do you have a serial number for the earlier version of Logon (the one for XP)?

[Jason.Roberts]

Hi alex, am still having problems, however, ive now upgraded to windows 7, and none of the version work,

[Alex Railean]

Hm, what do you mean they don't work? The trial period has expired or there is an error?

[Jason.Roberts]

Well, when i was using windows vista i could use the TVMonday version, and the updated versions after that i couldent, i would just get a flicking logon screen, however i now updated to windows 7, and i installed the TVMonday version i just carnt log on, i put smartcard in, enter pin and it just stays at the logon screen, now on vista this version worked ok, the newer embassy version i couldent run on vista as it would just constantly flicker on the logon screen, and i get the same on win7

[Alex Railean]

Here is what needs to be done


Delete the profiles from the key (or back them up)
Uninstall the current version
Reboot
Install this one xttp://files.dekart.com/beta/Logon2.24.0-falcon.msi
Re-create your profiles


Additional questions:
- do you happen to have a biometric reader in your computer?
- does the flickering problem persist?
- what kind of smart card do you use?

[Jason.Roberts]

Hi alex, thank you for the reply, however, am still geting raped flashing on the logon screen, the whole screen rapidly flashing, the smartcard am using is ACOS3 been using this card with version TVMonday on windows vista without a problem,

[Alex Railean]

We'll need to take a look at the logs to figure out what causes the flickering.

To enable them, do this:
- create c:\dk_smartkey.log
- click "enable logging" in the Settings dialog of Logon's administration program

Reboot the system, let the problem manifest itself, then send us these files:
- c:\dk_smartkey.log
- all the files from this directory: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Dekart

[Jason.Roberts]

Hi alex, i have tryed that once i reboot the system and it starts to flicker, i cannot get into the computer, to get back into the computer i have to do system restore..

[Ciprian Placinta]

Jason, before you do a system restore, try the followings:

1. Boot in safe-mode and provide us with the logs from the directory: C:/Program Data/Dekart. The logs are called "dk_credentialprovider.log", send them at support [at] dekart . com

- In case the logs are missing, create a file called "dk_credentialprovider.log", and make sure it has the extension .log, and not any other.


2. In case you have filled the check-box next to "Enable secure logon in safe mode" make a System Restore to the moment before the one when you have installed your version of Logon.



3. If you were able to get into the computer, uninstall Logon, and if there are any files in the directory C:/Program Data/Dekart, then delete them too.



One last thing you may try to gen into your computer without making any changes to it is: click continuously the left-mouse button in the place where your user tile is (when the image is flickering).

And this should allow you to log in with the user.

If you succeeded then do the 3rd step.

[Max]

Hello Jason,
seems it is problem in the installer,
you need to install Logon as Administrator (not user from Administrators group) or also you can do the following:
after installation run console as Administrator, switch to c:\windows\system32 and perform follow commands:
regsvr32 coskey.dll
regsvr32 coskeyps.dll